Are you confused on how to work with a recruiter during your job search? Are you not clear on what they can do for you? Many job seekers wish that they were a free agent All American Running back in Football just waiting for a recruiter to "show them the money". LOL. But the reality for most job seekers is very different.:( There are many common misconceptions what recruiters really can do for a job seeker. This short video explains "How to get a good job using a recruiter ". If you are a recruiter please drop in with your own comments that might be helpful to our job seekers?(Editor's Notes:)
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I'm not sure your "honor code among recruiters" isn't contrary to EEO and Anti-Trust legislation, "in spirit" at the very least (is there "honor among thieves"?).
ReplyDeleteI'm an independent IT Architect/Consultant (dba Custom Engineered Systems Ltd. founded 1983, S-corp 1993), who has been in business since before many of these "recruiters" were born -- many of whom are foreign "visiting workers" who can't speak intelligible "plain English" (only heavily-accented Hindi-English).
In the 1960s and '70s, the "standard" one-time recruiter "placement fee" from the employer was 20% of the first 6-months salary/hourly rate, 12-months for a higher-level/high-tech position (still a handsome sum at today's, or yesterday's, high-tech wages) -- NOT 35+% of the ON-GOING salary/hourly rate for the duration of the job/contract.
And some of these Hindi-English "3rd-party" recruiters are trying to take another 20% off of that for a "REFERRAL" -- leaving LESS THAN 50% of the WAGES BEING PAID by the end-client for the WORK TO BE DONE by the WORKER DOING THE WORK. What is the recruiter's "value added" to the WORK PRODUCT in this scenario?
Talk about "highway robbery". It's bad enough WITHOUT our treasonous, "bought and paid for" legislators allowing GREEDY Corporate America to send OUR American jobs overseas or bring in UNQUALIFIED H1B foreign "visiting workers" to fill these jobs at "slave wages".
My 5th great-grandfather fought in the FIRST American Revolution -- I hope I'm not too old to fight in the SECOND. NOT against the British Aristocracy, but against the American Aristocracy (AKA "GREEDY B@$t@rd$").
We'll fight to add the "forgotten" Judeo-Christian tenet to our Constitution -- the one against GREED: "Thou shalt not COVET ... anything that is thy neighbor's ...", nor the "fruits of thy neighbor's labors". And to put "teeth" into our EEO laws and provide for Equal Opportunity to "acquire and grow capital" -- TRUE Capitalism, NOT the GREEDY Capitalism we have now. (I got an A+ in ECON 101.)
A "stop-gap" might be a FAIR WAGE Collective Bargaining Agreement for ALL of MIDDLE/WORKING Class American Wage-Earners.
And get rid of all of the million$ bonuses for the executives who are NOT PRODUCING these goods and services. Pass the "excess profits" on to those who are providing the innovative, high-quality, high-productivity WORK PRODUCT that has driven the American, and World, economy since WW-II -- not to mention the taxpayer dollars that paid for the Marshall Plan that REBUILT Europe, Japan, and the world economy -- and put men on the moon, and won the Cold War, and continues to provide a "world police force" of American military might.
If our taxpayer dollars are paying for all of this, we should GET more dollars (wages) to pay taxes WITH -- instead of sending those dollars to the Swiss and Cayman bank accounts of the "GREEDY B@$t@rd$".
Ye Olde Goate
"Olde Goates don't 'fade away', the just 'butt out'."
Still Buttin'
I'm not sure your "honor code among recruiters" isn't contrary to EEO and Anti-Trust legislation, "in spirit" at the very least (is there "honor among thieves"?).
ReplyDeleteI'm an independent IT Architect/Consultant (dba Custom Engineered Systems Ltd. founded 1983, S-corp 1993), who has been in business since before many of these "recruiters" were born -- many of whom are foreign "visiting workers" who can't speak intelligible "plain English" (only heavily-accented Hindi-English).
In the 1960s and '70s, the "standard" one-time recruiter "placement fee" from the employer was 20% of the first 6-months salary/hourly rate, 12-months for a higher-level/high-tech position (still a handsome sum at today's, or yesterday's, high-tech wages) -- NOT 35+% of the ON-GOING salary/hourly rate for the duration of the job/contract.
And some of these Hindi-English "3rd-party" recruiters are trying to take another 20% off of that for a "REFERRAL" -- leaving LESS THAN 50% of the WAGES BEING PAID by the end-client for the WORK TO BE DONE by the WORKER DOING THE WORK. What is the recruiter's "value added" to the WORK PRODUCT in this scenario?
Talk about "highway robbery". It's bad enough WITHOUT our treasonous, "bought and paid for" legislators allowing GREEDY Corporate America to send OUR American jobs overseas or bring in UNQUALIFIED H1B foreign "visiting workers" to fill these jobs at "slave wages".
My 5th great-grandfather fought in the FIRST American Revolution -- I hope I'm not too old to fight in the SECOND. NOT against the British Aristocracy, but against the American Aristocracy (AKA "GREEDY B@$t@rd$").
We'll fight to add the "forgotten" Judeo-Christian tenet to our Constitution -- the one against GREED: "Thou shalt not COVET ... anything that is thy neighbor's ...", nor the "fruits of thy neighbor's labors". And to put "teeth" into our EEO laws and provide for Equal Opportunity to "acquire and grow capital" -- TRUE Capitalism, NOT the GREEDY Capitalism we have now. (I got an A+ in ECON 101.)
A "stop-gap" might be a FAIR WAGE Collective Bargaining Agreement for ALL of MIDDLE/WORKING Class American Wage-Earners.
And get rid of all of the million$ bonuses for the executives who are NOT PRODUCING these goods and services. Pass the "excess profits" on to those who are providing the innovative, high-quality, high-productivity WORK PRODUCT that has driven the American, and World, economy since WW-II -- not to mention the taxpayer dollars that paid for the Marshall Plan that REBUILT Europe, Japan, and the world economy -- and put men on the moon, and won the Cold War, and continues to provide a "world police force" of American military might.
If our taxpayer dollars are paying for all of this, we should GET more dollars (wages) to pay taxes WITH -- instead of sending those dollars to the Swiss and Cayman bank accounts of the "GREEDY B@$t@rd$".
Ye Olde Goate
"Olde Goates don't 'fade away', the just 'butt out'."
Still Buttin'
Ye Olde Goate's comments about recruiters had some truth - in the IT space for skilled professionals. The eHow video was accurate about the code of ethics for professional/retained recruiters. In fact, knowing what companies are offlimits to a particular recruiter can be very important info to know for both the company engaging a recruiter as well as an individual.
ReplyDeleteI have been in recruiting for 26 years, so let’s clarify something real fast, 99.9% of all recruiters work for their client, not their candidate, since our clients are the ones who pay us to bring the best and brightest to the table.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, Chuck’s comments, while bordering along Racist and Misogynistic tendencies, belay an underlying attitude of entitlement among a large number of 50-something managers and professionals who thought their jobs would be here forever – WAKE UP CHUCK! – that train has left the station!
For those of you that have been out of the business for the last 24 months. I don’t care if you are the world’s unluckiest person, go take a class in programming C#, JAVA, SharePoint or preferably Android, become proficient in Accounting or Legal technical support at the local community college, build an on-line portfolio that I can reference and GO VOLUNTEER someplace so I can put something on your resume.
And to address Chuck’s rantings about 3rd party search firms with recruiters who speak poor English and collect a sizeable sum of money;
1st – Profit is not a dirty word – if you do not want to work for what I have to offer, I will find somebody else who will.
2nd - that bit about your relative fighting in the War for Independence, I had three of my relatives who fought in that war, alongside several Poles, Germans, Irish, Italians as well as a couple of Jewish lads from Holland whose only wish was to live and breath free – and most of them I would imagine spoke English about as well as that South Asian recruiter who you managed to malign with your comments. Grow up Chuck – the world is moving on and I would suggest that you might need to run to catch up.
Seems like good information. Unfortunately, the video does not stream smoothly even with high band with. She seemed a little redundant with the statements she made (maybe it was intentional to reinforce some high points)
ReplyDeleteI just came across this video and would like to agree with the excellent tips Pat provided. As a recruiter for many years, her advice is spot-on and I recommend that you follow if you're looking to work with a recruiter.
ReplyDeleteKristi Enigl
Global Career Coach
ex-recruiter and Hiring Manager, too!
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