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Agreed with all points, except one. In today's internet world, many job posters are kept "confidential". So, outside of the job description, you have no idea who the hiring manager is, much less the name of the company. If one has the company name, it's usually fairly simple to find the HR person.
ReplyDeleteSo, is the general advice here that one should not bother with "confidential" postings?
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ReplyDeleteVery nice video with some useful tips. As a current job seeker, though, I always wonder who is still able to actually talk to a HR official or the Hiring Manager? I am usually not able to talk to anyone except a voicemail recorder, and in today's world it seems no longer the case that phone calls from job seekers are returned. I will continue to call and talk to a black box in the hope that someone at least listens to my message.
ReplyDeleteVery nice video with some very useful tips. As a job seeker I wonder, though, if anyone is actually ever able to talk to a human being - either a HR person or the Hiring Manager? I usually get a voicemail and even though I leave a message with contact information, it no longer seems the norm in today's economy that phone calls are returned. So while the idea of talking to the Hiring Manager sounds good, in my experience it is not realistic to ever talk to a human being at the company where I would like to work.
ReplyDeleteAll this is great and sound advice. But in today's reality where we're applying for most jobs through some kind of web portal page into an HR database, it's almost impossible to know or find out the recruiter's name/contact info, let alone the hiring manager's name/contact info. And this way of applying in which you have no contact name makes follow-up virtually impossible. The only way is to try finding the company's main phone number and then try identifying the right recruiter. Companies have intentionally made it very difficult for candidates to follow up a "blind" submission.
ReplyDeleteThis is the best strategy for job searching and the points in this video are on target. Problem is the reality of finding the hiring manager-not as big of an issue with a small company. You have got to somehow find an insider with the company so you can secure names. Then you face the problem of getting the individual to return you numerous follow up phone calls.
ReplyDeleteGreat information! Fellow commentors have stated that the advice is good, but knowing who to talk to at a company seems to be a sticking point.
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Agree that it's very difficult to identify hiring manager names from today's job advertisements, especially if a recruiter is the go-between. In doing the work to identify these people you often get the chance to meet them face-to-face, and if so you're better off skipping over the HR person or recruiter. Also, I disagree that sending out three cover letters with resumes (as unsolicited job seeking attempts) keeps your job hunt moral up. Since the vast majority of these attempts are never acknowledged it quickly demoralizes you.
ReplyDeleteVery good information. What techniques would you recommend for companies that only accept applications on-line through their careers website?
ReplyDeleteThese general pieces of advice seem more directed at people who aren't very specialized. Finding 3 jobs to apply for per day when you're a chip designer or high-tech marketer just isn't going to happen. Also I fundamentally disagree with the advice, which I consider to be old and very outdated, that you should have a standard resume but a custom cover letter per company. Both resume and cover letter need to clearly show how you will be able to directly benefit the specific company you're applying to. In this age of PCs, word processors, and laser printers, why would you do less with such an important task?
ReplyDeleteThis may have been good advice circa 2002. Today, in 2010, most job postings are anonymous. It's virtually impossible to even know the company, much less who the HR rep or the hiring manager is.
ReplyDeleteThis may have been good advice circa 2002. Today, in 2010, most job postings are anonymous. It's virtually impossible to even know the company, much less who the HR rep or the hiring manager is.
ReplyDeleteEven with an insider, nowadays is is highly unlikely to find the name(s) of person who decides who to hire. I was specifically told from a big pharma that they are not allowed to give out names. And from my personal experience, the ONLY important thing is to have experience they can use. Nothing else matters as much as your experience. So make sure you communicate your experience well on a paper...
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